diff --git a/graphics/gr/plasma/Makefile b/graphics/gr/plasma/Makefile
index b9dd9c2f..b0fd1fef 100644
--- a/graphics/gr/plasma/Makefile
+++ b/graphics/gr/plasma/Makefile
@@ -6,10 +6,11 @@ LINKERSCRIPTS = ../../../linker_scripts
 
 all:	plasma.dsk
 
-plasma.dsk:	HELLO PLASMA PLASMA_TINY PLASMA_BOT WIRES WIRES_BOT
+plasma.dsk:	HELLO PLASMA PLASMA_128 PLASMA_TINY PLASMA_BOT WIRES WIRES_BOT
 	cp empty.dsk plasma.dsk
 	$(DOS33) -y plasma.dsk SAVE A HELLO
-	$(DOS33) -y plasma.dsk BSAVE -a 0x300 PLASMA
+	$(DOS33) -y plasma.dsk BSAVE -a 0x70 PLASMA
+	$(DOS33) -y plasma.dsk BSAVE -a 0x70 PLASMA_128
 	$(DOS33) -y plasma.dsk BSAVE -a 0xC00 PLASMA_TINY
 	$(DOS33) -y plasma.dsk BSAVE -a 0x36B PLASMA_BOT
 	$(DOS33) -y plasma.dsk BSAVE -a 0xC00 WIRES
@@ -23,13 +24,22 @@ HELLO:	hello.bas
 ###
 
 PLASMA:	plasma.o
-	ld65 -o PLASMA plasma.o -C $(LINKERSCRIPTS)/apple2_300.inc
+	ld65 -o PLASMA plasma.o -C ./apple2_70_zp.inc
 
 plasma.o:	plasma.s
 	ca65 -o plasma.o plasma.s -l plasma.lst
 
 ###
 
+PLASMA_128:	plasma_128.o
+	ld65 -o PLASMA_128 plasma_128.o -C ./apple2_70_zp.inc
+
+plasma_128.o:	plasma_128.s
+	ca65 -o plasma_128.o plasma_128.s -l plasma_128.lst
+
+
+###
+
 PLASMA_BOT:	plasma_bot.o
 	ld65 -o PLASMA_BOT plasma_bot.o -C ./apple2_36b.inc
 
@@ -67,4 +77,4 @@ wires_bot.o:	wires_bot.s
 ###
 
 clean:	
-	rm -f *~ *.o *.lst PLASMA PLASMA_TINY PLASMA_BOT WIRES WIRES_BOT
+	rm -f *~ *.o *.lst PLASMA PLASMA_128 PLASMA_TINY PLASMA_BOT WIRES WIRES_BOT
diff --git a/graphics/gr/plasma/apple2_70_zp.inc b/graphics/gr/plasma/apple2_70_zp.inc
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..9737f2d1
--- /dev/null
+++ b/graphics/gr/plasma/apple2_70_zp.inc
@@ -0,0 +1,12 @@
+MEMORY {
+       ZP: start = $70, size = $90, type = rw;
+       RAM: start = $70, size = $8E00, file = %O;
+}
+
+SEGMENTS {
+#CODE: load = RAM, type = ro;
+#RODATA: load = RAM, type = ro;
+#DATA: load = RAM, type = rw;
+#BSS: load = RAM, type = bss, define = yes;
+ZEROPAGE: load = ZP, type = ro;
+}
diff --git a/graphics/gr/plasma/plasma.s b/graphics/gr/plasma/plasma.s
index b859a671..9c4830a3 100644
--- a/graphics/gr/plasma/plasma.s
+++ b/graphics/gr/plasma/plasma.s
@@ -18,13 +18,39 @@
 ; 141 -- smc DRAW_PAGE
 ; 139 -- from qkumba, remove php/plp
 ; 138 -- from qkumba, remove SAVEX
+; 133 -- run from zero page
+; 132 -- make lookup 8*sin+7
+; 131 -- re-arrange sine table
+; 128 -- call into PLOT for MASK seting
+; 127 -- base YY<<16 by adding smc, not by shifting
+; 125 -- realize that the top byte wraps so no need to and
+; 124 -- re-arrange code to make an CLC unnecessary
 
-; goal=135
+; urgh lovebyte wants 124 byte (counts header)
 
-.include "zp.inc"
-.include "hardware.inc"
+; zero page
+GBASL	= $26
+GBASH	= $27
+MASK	= $2E
+COLOR	= $30
+;CTEMP	= $68
+YY	= $69
+
+; soft-switches
+FULLGR	= $C052
+PAGE1	= $C054
+
+; ROM routines
+PLOT1	= $F80E		;; PLOT at (GBASL),Y (need MASK to be $0f or $f0)
+GBASCALC= $F847		;; take Y-coord/2 in A, put address in GBASL/H ( a trashed, C clear)
+SETCOL  = $F864		;; COLOR=A*17
+SETGR	= $FB40
+
+
+.zeropage
+
+.globalzp	colorlookup,plot_lookup_smc,draw_page_smc,frame_smc,sinetable
 
-CTEMP	= $FC
 
 	;================================
 	; Clear screen and setup graphics
@@ -42,25 +68,27 @@ plasma:
 
 	; we only create a 16x16 texture, which we pattern across 40x48 screen
 
+
+	; I've tried re-optimizing this about 10 different ways
+	; and it never ends up shorter
+
 create_lookup:
-	ldy	#15
-create_yloop:
 	ldx	#15
+create_yloop:
+	ldy	#15
 create_xloop:
-	clc
-	lda	#15		; 8+8 (but 15 works better)
-	adc	sinetable,X
-	adc	sinetable,Y
+	sec
+	lda	sinetable,X
+	adc	sinetable,Y	; 15+sin(x)+sin(y)
 	lsr
 lookup_smc:
 	sta	lookup		; always starts at $d00
-
 	inc	lookup_smc+1
 
-	dex
+	dey
 	bpl	create_xloop
 
-	dey
+	dex
 	bpl	create_yloop
 
 	; X and Y both $FF
@@ -70,34 +98,30 @@ create_lookup_done:
 forever_loop:
 
 cycle_colors:
+
 	; cycle colors
+	; instead of advancing entire frame, do slightly slower route
+	; instead now and just incrememnting the frame and doing the
+	; adjustment at plot time.
 
-	; can't do palette rotate on Apple II so faking it here
-	; just incrementing every entry in texture by 1
-
-	; X if $FF when arriving here
-;	ldx	#0
-	inx	; make X 0
-cycle_loop:
-	inc	lookup,X
-	inx
-	bne	cycle_loop
-
-
+	; increment frame
 
+	inc	frame_smc+1
 
 	; set/flip pages
 	; we want to flip pages and then draw to the offscreen one
 
 flip_pages:
 
-;	ldx	#0		; x already 0
+;	ldy	#0
+
+	iny			; y is $FF, make it 0
 
 	lda	draw_page_smc+1	; DRAW_PAGE
 	beq	done_page
-	inx
+	iny
 done_page:
-	ldy	PAGE0,X		; set display page to PAGE1 or PAGE2
+	ldx	PAGE1,Y		; set display page to PAGE1 or PAGE2
 
 	eor	#$4		; flip draw page between $400/$800
 	sta	draw_page_smc+1 ; DRAW_PAGE
@@ -109,26 +133,13 @@ done_page:
 plot_frame:
 
 	ldx	#47		; YY=47 (count backwards)
-
 plot_yloop:
 
-	txa			; get (y&0xf)<<4
-	pha			; save YY
-	asl
-	asl
-	asl
-	asl
-	sta	CTEMP		; save for later
-
-	txa			; get Y in accumulator
+	txa			; get YY into A
+	pha			; save X for later
 	lsr			; call actually wants Ycoord/2
 
-
-	ldy	#$0f		; setup mask for odd/even line
-	bcc	plot_mask
-	ldy	#$f0		; needlessly clever, from monitor rom src
-plot_mask:
-	sty	MASK
+	php			; save C flag for mask handling
 
 	; ugh can't use PLOT trick as it always will draw something
 	; to PAGE1 even if we don't want to
@@ -141,34 +152,43 @@ draw_page_smc:
 	adc	#0
 	sta	GBASH
 
-
+	; increment YY in top nibble of lookup for (yy<<16)+xx
+	; clc	from above, C always 0
+	lda	plot_lookup_smc+1
+	adc	#$10		; no need to mask as it will oflo and be ignored
+	sta	plot_lookup_smc+1
 
 	;==========
 
 	ldy	#39		; XX = 39 (countdown)
 
+	; sets MASK by calling into middle of PLOT routine
+	; by Y being 39 draw in a spot that gets over-written
+
+	plp
+	jsr	$f806
+
 plot_xloop:
 
-	tya			; get x&0xf
+	tya			; get XX & 0x0f
 	and	#$f
-	ora 	CTEMP 		; combine with val from earlier
-				; get ((y&0xf)*16)+x
-
 	tax
 
-plot_lookup:
-
-;	sta	plot_lookup_smc+1
-
 plot_lookup_smc:
-	lda	lookup,X	; load lookup, (y*16)+x
-;	lda	lookup	; load lookup, (y*16)+x
+	lda	lookup,X	; load lookup, (YY*16)+XX
+
+	clc
+frame_smc:
+	adc	#$00		; add in frame
 
 	and	#$f
 	lsr			; we actually only have 8 colors
 
 	tax
+
 	lda	colorlookup,X	; lookup color
+
+
 	sta	COLOR		; each nibble should be same
 
 	jsr	PLOT1		; plot at GBASL,Y (x co-ord goes in Y)
@@ -178,29 +198,28 @@ plot_lookup_smc:
 
 	pla			; restore YY
 	tax
-
 	dex
 	bpl	plot_yloop
 	bmi	forever_loop
 
 colorlookup:
-bw_color_lookup:
+
 ; blue
 .byte $55,$22,$66,$77,$ff,$77,$55	; ,$00 shared w sin table
-; pink
-;.byte $55,$11,$33,$bb,$ff,$bb,$55	; ,$00 shared w sin table
 
-; this is actually 8*sin(x)
+
 sinetable:
-.byte $00,$03,$05,$07,$08,$07,$05,$03
-.byte $00,$FD,$FB,$F9,$F8,$F9,$FB,$FD
+; this is actually (8*sin(x))+7
+; re-arranged so starts with $00 for colorlookup overlap
+.byte $00,$FF
+HACK:			; use the $0200 here for (HACK),Y addressing?
+			; in the end no way to get Y set properly
+.byte $00,$02,$04
+.byte $07,$0A,$0C,$0E,$0F,$0E,$0C,$0A
+.byte $07,$04,$02
 
-;colorlookup:
-;.byte $00,$00,$05,$05,$07,$07,$0f,$0f
-;.byte $07,$07,$06,$06,$02,$02,$05,$05
-;.byte $00,$55,$77,$ff,$77,$66,$22,$55
 
 ; make lookup happen at page boundary
 
-.org	$d00
+.org	$200
 lookup:
diff --git a/graphics/gr/plasma/plasma_128.s b/graphics/gr/plasma/plasma_128.s
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..063c7db1
--- /dev/null
+++ b/graphics/gr/plasma/plasma_128.s
@@ -0,0 +1,221 @@
+; do a (hopefully fast) plasma type demo
+
+; 151 -- original
+; 137 -- optimize generation
+; 136 -- align lookup table so we can index it easier
+; 130 -- optimize indexing of lookup
+; 126 -- run loops backaward
+; 124 -- notice X already 0 before plot
+; 131 -- use GBASCALC.  much faster, but 7 bytes larger
+; 129 -- run loop backwards
+; 128 -- set color ourselves
+; 127 -- overlap color lookup with sine table
+; 119 -- forgot to comment out unused
+; 121 -- make it use full screen (40x48)
+
+; 149 -- add page flipping
+; 144 -- optimize a bit
+; 141 -- smc DRAW_PAGE
+; 139 -- from qkumba, remove php/plp
+; 138 -- from qkumba, remove SAVEX
+; 133 -- run from zero page
+; 132 -- make lookup 8*sin+7
+; 131 -- re-arrange sine table
+; 128 -- call into PLOT for MASK seting
+
+; urgh lovebyte wants 124 byte (counts header)
+
+; zero page
+GBASL	= $26
+GBASH	= $27
+MASK	= $2E
+COLOR	= $30
+CTEMP	= $68
+
+; soft-switches
+FULLGR          =       $C052
+PAGE0           =       $C054
+
+; ROM routines
+PLOT1	= $F80E		;; PLOT at (GBASL),Y (need MASK to be $0f or $f0)
+GBASCALC= $F847		;; take Y-coord/2 in A, put address in GBASL/H ( a trashed, C clear)
+SETCOL  = $F864		;; COLOR=A*17
+SETGR	= $FB40
+
+
+.zeropage
+
+.globalzp	sinetable,colorlookup,draw_page_smc
+
+	;================================
+	; Clear screen and setup graphics
+	;================================
+plasma:
+
+	jsr	SETGR		; set lo-res 40x40 mode
+	bit	FULLGR		; make it 40x48
+
+
+
+;	color = ( 8.0 + 8*sin(x) + 8.0 + 8*sin(y) )/2
+;		becomes
+;	color = ( 16 + (sintable[xx&0xf]) + (sintable[yy&0xf])) / 2;
+
+	; we only create a 16x16 texture, which we pattern across 40x48 screen
+
+
+create_lookup:
+	ldy	#15
+create_yloop:
+	ldx	#15
+create_xloop:
+	sec
+	lda	sinetable,X
+	adc	sinetable,Y	; 15+sin(x)+sin(y)
+	lsr
+lookup_smc:
+	sta	lookup		; always starts at $d00
+	inc	lookup_smc+1
+
+	dex
+	bpl	create_xloop
+
+	dey
+	bpl	create_yloop
+
+
+	; X and Y both $FF
+
+create_lookup_done:
+
+forever_loop:
+
+cycle_colors:
+	; cycle colors
+
+	; can't do palette rotate on Apple II so faking it here
+	; just incrementing every entry in texture by 1
+
+	; X if $FF when arriving here
+;	ldx	#0
+	inx	; make X 0
+cycle_loop:
+	inc	lookup,X
+	inx
+	bne	cycle_loop
+
+
+
+
+	; set/flip pages
+	; we want to flip pages and then draw to the offscreen one
+
+flip_pages:
+
+;	ldx	#0		; x already 0
+
+	lda	draw_page_smc+1	; DRAW_PAGE
+	beq	done_page
+	inx
+done_page:
+	ldy	PAGE0,X		; set display page to PAGE1 or PAGE2
+
+	eor	#$4		; flip draw page between $400/$800
+	sta	draw_page_smc+1 ; DRAW_PAGE
+
+
+	; plot current frame
+	; scan whole 40x48 screen and plot each point based on
+	; lookup table colors
+plot_frame:
+
+	ldx	#47		; YY=47 (count backwards)
+
+plot_yloop:
+
+	txa			; get (y&0xf)<<4
+	pha			; save YY
+	asl
+	asl
+	asl
+	asl
+	sta	CTEMP		; save for later
+
+	txa			; get Y in accumulator
+	lsr			; call actually wants Ycoord/2
+
+	php			; save C flag for mask handling
+
+	; ugh can't use PLOT trick as it always will draw something
+	; to PAGE1 even if we don't want to
+
+	jsr	GBASCALC	; point GBASL/H to address in (A is ycoord/2)
+				; after, A is GBASL, C is clear
+
+	lda	GBASH		; adjust to be PAGE1/PAGE2 ($400 or $800)
+draw_page_smc:
+	adc	#0
+	sta	GBASH
+
+
+
+	;==========
+
+	ldy	#39		; XX = 39 (countdown)
+
+	; sets MASK by calling into middle of PLOT routine
+	; by Y being 39 draw in a spot that gets over-written
+
+	plp
+	jsr	$f806
+
+plot_xloop:
+
+	tya			; get x&0xf
+	and	#$f
+	ora 	CTEMP 		; combine with val from earlier
+				; get ((y&0xf)*16)+x
+
+	tax
+
+plot_lookup:
+plot_lookup_smc:
+	lda	lookup,X	; load lookup, (y*16)+x
+
+	and	#$f
+	lsr			; we actually only have 8 colors
+
+	tax
+	lda	colorlookup,X	; lookup color
+	sta	COLOR		; each nibble should be same
+
+	jsr	PLOT1		; plot at GBASL,Y (x co-ord goes in Y)
+
+	dey
+	bpl	plot_xloop
+
+	pla			; restore YY
+	tax
+
+	dex
+	bpl	plot_yloop
+	bmi	forever_loop
+
+colorlookup:
+
+; blue
+.byte $55,$22,$66,$77,$ff,$77,$55	; ,$00 shared w sin table
+
+
+sinetable:
+; this is actually (8*sin(x))+7
+; re-arranged so starts with $00 for colorlookup overlap
+.byte $00,$FF,$00,$02,$04
+.byte $07,$0A,$0C,$0E,$0F,$0E,$0C,$0A
+.byte $07,$04,$02
+
+
+; make lookup happen at page boundary
+
+.org	$d00
+lookup:
diff --git a/graphics/gr/sier/Makefile b/graphics/gr/sier/Makefile
index 17f2f53a..7682dd82 100644
--- a/graphics/gr/sier/Makefile
+++ b/graphics/gr/sier/Makefile
@@ -6,11 +6,12 @@ LINKERSCRIPTS = ../../../linker_scripts
 
 all:	sier.dsk
 
-sier.dsk:	HELLO SIER SIER_TINY
+sier.dsk:	HELLO SIER SIER_TINY SIER_64
 	cp empty.dsk sier.dsk
 	$(DOS33) -y sier.dsk SAVE A HELLO
 	$(DOS33) -y sier.dsk BSAVE -a 0x36C SIER
 	$(DOS33) -y sier.dsk BSAVE -a 0x300 SIER_TINY
+	$(DOS33) -y sier.dsk BSAVE -a 0x300 SIER_64
 
 ###
 
@@ -33,8 +34,17 @@ SIER_TINY:	sier_tiny.o
 sier_tiny.o:	sier_tiny.s
 	ca65 -o sier_tiny.o sier_tiny.s -l sier_tiny.lst
 
+###
+
+SIER_64:	sier_64.o
+	ld65 -o SIER_64 sier_64.o -C $(LINKERSCRIPTS)/apple2_300.inc
+
+sier_64.o:	sier_64.s
+	ca65 -o sier_64.o sier_64.s -l sier_64.lst
+
+
 
 ###
 
 clean:	
-	rm -f *~ *.o *.lst HELLO SIER SIER_TINY
+	rm -f *~ *.o *.lst HELLO SIER SIER_TINY SIER_64
diff --git a/graphics/gr/sier/sier_64.s b/graphics/gr/sier/sier_64.s
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..e1320e3c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/graphics/gr/sier/sier_64.s
@@ -0,0 +1,94 @@
+; fake sierpinski
+
+; scrolling and colors
+
+; by Vince `deater` Weaver, dSr, Lovebyte 2021
+
+; just plot XX AND YY
+
+; zero page
+COLOR	=	$30
+XX	=	$66
+YY	=	$67
+FRAME	=	$68
+;X2	=	$69
+
+; soft-switches
+FULLGR	=	$C052
+
+; rom routines
+PLOT	=	$F800	;; PLOT AT Y,A
+PLOT1	=	$F80E	;; PLOT at (GBASL),Y (need MASK to be $0f or $f0)
+SETCOL	=	$F864	;; COLOR=A
+SETGR	=	$FB40
+
+	;================================
+	; Clear screen and setup graphics
+	;================================
+sier:
+
+	jsr	SETGR		; set lo-res 40x40 mode
+	bit	FULLGR		; make it 40x48
+
+	lda	#0
+	sta	FRAME
+
+sier_loop:
+
+	inc	FRAME
+
+	ldx	#47		; YY
+
+sier_yloop:
+
+	lda	#39
+	sta	XX
+
+	tay
+	txa
+	jsr	PLOT		; PLOT AT Y,A
+				; sets GBASL/GBASH and MASK
+
+sier_xloop:
+
+	txa
+	clc
+	adc	FRAME
+
+;	sta	X2
+;	lda	XX
+;	adc	FRAME
+;	and	X2
+
+	and	XX
+
+	bne	black
+;	lda	#$11	; red
+	lda	FRAME
+	lsr
+	lsr
+	lsr
+	lsr
+	bne	not_zero
+	lda	#3
+
+not_zero:
+
+	.byte	$2C	; bit trick
+black:
+	lda	#$00
+;	sta	COLOR
+	jsr	SETCOL
+
+	ldy	XX
+	txa
+	jsr	PLOT1		; PLOT AT (GBASL),Y
+
+	dec	XX
+	bpl	sier_xloop
+
+	dex
+	bpl	sier_yloop
+
+done:
+	bmi	sier_loop
diff --git a/graphics/hgr/sprite/apple2_36b.inc b/graphics/hgr/sprite/apple2_36b.inc
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..ac221fa9
--- /dev/null
+++ b/graphics/hgr/sprite/apple2_36b.inc
@@ -0,0 +1,12 @@
+MEMORY {
+       ZP: start = $00, size = $1A, type = rw;
+       RAM: start = $36B, size = $8E00, file = %O;
+}
+
+SEGMENTS {
+CODE: load = RAM, type = ro, align = $1;
+RODATA: load = RAM, type = ro;
+DATA: load = RAM, type = rw;
+BSS: load = RAM, type = bss, define = yes;
+ZEROPAGE: load = ZP, type = zp;
+}